053 Everybody was Facebook Fighting!

After both experiencing the wrath of Facebook in recent weeks, Nichole and Callie discuss fighting on social media – the frustrations, the doubts, the trolls.

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Nichole recently got in a fight about sexism on her personal Facebook page; Callie was attacked by atheists when she tried to start a conversation about veganism in an atheist group. After their separate encounters, both girls worried about whether they were too “aggressive” “pushy” or “overreacting.”

This is a common phenomenon for people in the minority, any minority. When you try to fight for what is right, or speak your truth, the majority will rail against you, leaving you full of doubt about your right to have a voice.

There are no easy answers, but hopefully at least a lot of solidarity!

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16 comments

  • I enjoyed this very much needed podcast. I suspect internet fighting exists because people are no longer forced to take debate in school and don’t really learn how to posit their viewpoint without it spiralling into a personal attack or going south (Poor south, there’s nothing wrong with you; you’re a fine direction. Birds love you.).

    Also, in case your metrics page doesn’t take Canada into account (as per usual), let it stand that Calgary, Alberta listens to you. Take that, Dakotas.

    Have a great day!

    • Great point about debating in school! Schools should not only teach debate, but they should do projects around specifically debating on social media.

      I think it’d be a cool social experiment for them to have them have a debate in person, and then have a debate with all the same kids online, and see how much meaner and uglier it gets. Show them how it’s easy to be mean when you’re not looking at somebody, and how you need to monitor that and learn how to debate respectfully.

      Yay, Calgary!!!

      <3
      Nichole

  • Don’t let the trolls on Facebook steal your freedom of speech and expression. It is always easier bashing people anonymously. I assume one must be in a very desperate state or very unhappy trying to feel better by shit-storming people on the web. And I can imagine these persons are neither as brave nor as smart as you are, Try not to give a shit and – if it gets too dirty – get in touch with the admin. It’s their job not to let the trolls even come to the point on which a group/forum member starts to think about reporting them.

    Thanks for this great Episode. You two rock! <3

    Lilly

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  • This had perfect timing! I usually only comment on vegan food blogs, or very small blogs that usually center around similar interests with mine. Then I went on facebook at saw the Vlogbrothers posting a video about veganism basically saying “Vegans are right, I am just selfish for not becoming one” I thought this was cool and thought the comments would be civilized, and joined in on a comment about oreos and veganism (cuz the guy in the video mentioned eating oreos for breakfast) Needless to say some guy bumped in giving his two cents saying “uh this video isn’t questioning veganism and oreos” and it got me in a wild funk about how this guy was trying to rain on a bunch of vegans being nerdy. I guess it also made me annoyed that 90% of the comments were roughly “uh bacon” “pizza means happiness, I am not vegan because I want to be happy” you know, tearing down the strong brave argument that video was saying. Listening to your well timed podcast let me chill out a little bit, and it was nice to see that the oreo comment thread kept going as everyone ignored that mansplaning comment. Because if there is something you don’t want to do is break up some vegans in an oreo debate.

    • “Because if there is something you don’t want to do is break up some vegans in an oreo debate” gave me a good chuckle. I totally get it, I hate that guy who feels the need to come in with their comment. We even have fans who do it – they like the show but they have to give their “well, actually” or “well I think” comments and it’s like, dude, no.

      I’m glad the episode helped and was timely for you! I’ve had to remember our advice even in real life – I recently went out and met some new people, and one of them was a VERY mansplainy young man. I held my ground with him but also just largely ignored him for his much cooler friend most of the night.

  • I just found this podcast yesterday (so happy I did!) and just listened to this one at the perfect time. One of my Facebook friends who is really into healthy eating and exercise posted “Dear Vegan/vegetarian friends…how did you make the transition (if you weren’t always eating this way)? I know the pros, but any cons?? Advice?” I was so excited! As a vegetarian for almost 5 years and making the official transition to veganism recently, I can definitely offer advice!

    However, when I read the comments it was disheartening. One man even posted a photo of a disgusting juicy red steak entitled “BUT IT’S SO DELICIOUS THO” “Stick with the meat girl….protein!!! To(o) yummy to give up!” “Don’t.” “But it’s soooooo damn good!”

    She was addressing vegetarians and vegans, not these meat obsessed people! I was just so disappointed with how they were discouraging her. I recommended websites and documentaries but just felt so defeated. People are more defensive of their meat than they are about their guns. :(

    • Ughhhhhhh I’m so sad/mad to hear that. I’m always shocked by how much people think that their opinions are interesting. I’ve been pretty aggressive lately about telling people that their unsolicited comments are unappreciated, haha. My patience is gone for such tomfoolery!

      I’m really glad you like the show!!! Thank you for reaching out, good luck to your friend, I hope she has the courage to make changes even after seeing how vegans are treated on social media.

      – Nichole

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