110 Intersectionality Redux: a Response to the Unnatural Vegan- Part 1

Posted on February 14, 2017 by Nichole

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We are on 10 today, talking about the Unnatural Vegan’s recent “Why I’m not an intersectional/social justice vegan” video, and also using this as an opportunity to go back and do intersectionality right.

In This Episode

We can’t even begin to summarize the problems in the Unnatural Vegan’s video about why she is not an intersectional slash social justice vegan, so we took this chance to go bit by bit through her video and talk about how each point made is problematic and deeply concerning. There was so much to say we couldn’t even fit it into one episode! Stay tuned for Part 2 next week, we finish deconstructing her video and wrap up our thoughts on the matter. We also were glad to have an opportunity to revisit the topic of intersectionality, since we made an episode about it before we were properly educated on the concept and have always wanted the chance to do better. So we review intersectionality, the origin and definition of the word, as well as discuss why it is so critically important not just from an emotional, communications aspect, but also from a legal one.

Links and Information

News

Trump delays listing bumblebee as an endangered species (The Verge)
Meat substitutes are on the curriculum at UC Berkeley (SF Chronicles)
Millennials are Bringing Down the Beef Industry (VegNews)
Stop Fighting Veganism, It Has Already Won (Huffington Post

Mentioned in this Episode

Easily-Triggered Privileged People Have Turned Society Into Their Own Giant Safe Space (The Establishment): Our culture is set up to protect the powerful from anything they can’t handle.
Re: “Why I’m not an intersectional/ social justice vegan” by Unnatural Vegan: A Privileged Vegan’s response video
Unnatural Vegan Gets an “F” for Social Justice: Reg Flowers’ response video

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9 comments

- Gerald
  
  February 14, 2017 at 9:04 am
  
  Awesome show guys always super insightful!! Just wanted to say that many millennials are actually in college right now as many have the birth range from early 80s to mid 90s and even early 2000s!
  - - Nichole
      
      February 15, 2017 at 2:37 pm
      
      Thanks Gerald! The last article I read (link below) said the Pew Research Center put the birth date range from 1977-1992, making the youngest Millennials 25 years old. The average age according to most research puts them born between 1980-1996, making the youngest 21, which is the age that you *usually* are graduating college or are in your last year. So, we acknowledge that some Millennials are still somewhat young, but they are not the 18-21 year old crowd, and certainly not the highschoolers, that most people label as “Millennials.” The 14 Most Destructive Myths about Millennials Debunked by Data (Medium.com): https://medium.com/the-mission/the-14-most-destructive-millennial-myths-debunked-by-data-aa00838eecd6#.670nulcti

- El Zede
  
  February 17, 2017 at 5:49 pm
  
  “On my return from Spain I thought of exposing the Soviet myth in a story that could be easily understood by almost anyone and which could be easily translated into other languages. However, the actual details of the story did not come to me for some time until one day (I was then living in a small village) I saw a little boy, perhaps ten years old, driving a huge cart-horse along a narrow path, whipping it whenever it tried to turn. It struck me that if only such animals became aware of their strength we should have no power over them, and that men exploit animals in much the same way as the rich exploit the proletariat.” from George Orwell Preface to Animal Farm: the Ukrainian edition. It seems like people were realizing that there were parallel between animal oppression and human oppression.
  - - Nichole
      
      February 27, 2017 at 12:48 pm
      
      I’m just about to re-read Animal Farm. I read it as a non-vegan and am excited to see my new interpretation of it. I hope that my version has that preface, thank you for sharing that bit of it! – Nichole
      - El Zede
        
        February 28, 2017 at 10:18 am
        
        You are welcome. If your copy does not have it, (mine did not) here is the link to it: http://home.iprimus.com.au/korob/Orwell.html
        I hope you cover it on the show. I would love to hear your intersectional vegan perspectives on it. LOL
        You guys have become one of my favorite people in the world. I look forward to your podcast every week with excitement while I swim through the archives of your shows past. The way you guys convey thoughts and emotions during the show is crystal magic and enchanting. The so candid laughter gets me everytime. LOL. Keep up the good work. As soon as I get paid, I shall contribute to the show. Thank you for sharing and enlightening us.

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- Stephanie
  
  February 21, 2017 at 12:41 pm
  
  You mentioned your frustration with the comparison of right wing fringe and so-called “left wing fringe.” It’s so frustrating and is generally done using this logical fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation Sometimes, it helps me understand why something is so frustrating when I have a label for it, maybe it does for you too!
  - - Jean
      
      February 26, 2017 at 5:48 pm
      
      Thanks for that Stephanie, I also agreed it felt wrong but didn’t understand why until you posted that link.
  - - Nichole
      
      February 27, 2017 at 12:47 pm
      
      Thank you for the link, I always like having a label for things! – Nichole

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